<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><rss xmlns:atom='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' version='2.0'><channel><atom:id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156</atom:id><lastBuildDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:51:47 +0000</lastBuildDate><title>The Rebel God</title><description/><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/index.shtml</link><managingEditor>Sharktacos</managingEditor><generator>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>73</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-3981969332594840814</guid><pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-03-30T13:55:36.045-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>theology of the cross</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>rebel God</category><title>The Rebel God</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://sharktacos.com/God/uploaded_images/rebelJesus-710067.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://sharktacos.com/God/uploaded_images/rebelJesus-710064.gif" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some people have complained about the term the "rebel God" saying that it plays into the pop cultural cliches. I can understand this critique since being a rebel has often been appropriated by the corporate propaganda machine to sell conformity - everyone being "original" in the exact same way, "alternative" being the new hip way to say "popular". But I still want to hold onto the idea of the rebel God because I think it tells is something profound about what it means to understand Jesus as Lord, God, and Savior. Jesus was condemned as a blasphemer and crucified as an outlaw. He was a threat to the government and subversive to religious authority. He was nothing else if not a rebel, and following him meant rebelling against the "world" system. Why else do you think the early Christians were killed? Faithfulness to Christ meant subversion of Caesar. Sadly, for so many people today God is associated ith that same authoritative system. Throughout history the church has tragically allied itself with a Constantinian understanding of authority and power. But if Jesus is God then God is the rebel, God is the outlaw, God is the one who is planning to subvert the way of this world with his revolutionary kingdom by starting that revolution in our hearts with the new birth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was always taught that rebellion was  at the root of sin. But the more I have followed Jesus the more I have found rebellion to be a character trait. It is rebellion that taught me to question not only the assumptions of my culture and its screwed up values, but also to question myself and to never assume that I had a hold on truth, but to instead have a life of seeking.  Rebellion has protected me from swallowing the toxic faith that has hurt so many people I know. It is a rebellion against authority that is rooted in the New Testaments witness that authority can be just as fallen as we can be. The "God of this world" is not the one we should follow unquestioningly, but the one we are to oppose in Jesus name. That has meant practically needing to stand up to my pastors when they were wrong and abusing their authority (which has meant taking my lumps at times), but the only regrets I have here are when I did not trust in my conscience and did not stand up. I hope that people I lead would do the same with me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There needs to be a way for us Christians to embrace absolute truth without being seduced into thinking &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;we &lt;/span&gt;have a corner on truth, thinking we can systematize and franchise truth authoritatively. Instead we need to understand that truth is a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;person &lt;/span&gt;who we always need to a to cling to in humility with an open and seeking heart. If Jesus is God then that means the ultimate authority is the one who was an outlaw, the one who identified with the sinner and the least. If Jesus is God then that means the picture of morality and holiness is seen in the one who was accused of being a lawbreaker in the very act of loving and caring for those in need, and who went right ahead and did it anyway despite the reputation it gave him. If Jesus is God then that means that God is the rebel God, it means God is a punk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/03/rebel-god.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-6074050078324682984</guid><pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-04-03T23:50:54.673-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>TV</category><title>Save Friday Night Lights</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/02/savefnl_wwrdLG.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/02/savefnl_wwrdLG.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rumor has it that Friday Night Lights is going to be canceled, which if you asked me is a crying shame.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FNL is some of the best writing on television... heck, I'd say it is bar none the best writing I've seen in years. The character development is phenomenal, the depth of issues covered on the show - complex issues like racism, disabilities, the war, faith, are all dealt with depth and sophistication. Instead of the typical stereotypical clichés we have characters with real complexity. And on top if all that it is a show that portrays faith in a fair and honest way showing them as real people with real faith. For example season two opens up by telling the story of how one of the lead characters Lyla Garrity gives her life to Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And they're gonna cancel this fantastic show?!? One thing you can do to help out is go watch episodes of the show online over at &lt;a href="http://www.nbc.com/Friday_Night_Lights/video/episodes.shtml"&gt;NBC.com&lt;/a&gt;. It's free, and you can watch any episode from the whole season in any order, pausing whenever you like with next to no commercials (as opposed to regular TV which has endless commercial blocks where you forget what you were watching, here they are only 20 seconds long). Its all kind of like having Tivo for free really. So go check it out. The more people watch episodes the more NBC will register that maybe they should not cancel this wonderful show.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;UPDATE:&lt;/span&gt; FNL is being renewed for a 3rd season! In a joint venture between NBC and DirecTV, it will aire first this fall on DirecTV and then be shown on NBC mid-season in the Winter. Better late than never.</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/03/save-friday-night-lights.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-5426745715737244368</guid><pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-03-01T12:49:02.258-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>post-modernism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>systems theory</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>religion and science</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Emergent</category><title>Systems Theory #2 - Causality</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.lightswitchextension.com/step%205.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 200px;" src="http://www.lightswitchextension.com/step%205.JPG" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I've come to see systems theory as offering a lot of practical insights in how to address human need in a post modern context and therefore having a lot to add to a relational theology. &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_theory"&gt;Systems theory&lt;/a&gt; is a huge term that spans many branches of science from biophysics to computer science (which is why it grew out of Silicon Valley). But here I am using it as it specifically applies to a social approach to psychology that Wikipedia calls&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_psychology"&gt; systemic psycholgy&lt;/a&gt; (although the focus on homeostasis that Wiki uses to define it represents old school systemic psychology rather than current practice... hmmm, maybe I should update that page).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As opposed to the more bio-chemical approach to psychology common in the States, this social approach to psychology has become prevalent in Europe. rather than focusing on the individual, its sees people as connected to complex systems of relationships - families, societies, etc - and tries to understand their "problems" within that social context rather than inside of an individual one. Because most of the development going on in this field is coming out of Europe now, as a result my source here is from a great book called "Lehrbuch der Systemischen Therapie und Beratung" ("Textbook of Systemic therapy and Counseling") by Arist von Schlippe and Jochen Schweizer, which I don't think has been translated into English.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Systems theory works out of a postmodern context and basically says "OK, if these post modern assumptions are true, now what? How would that change our approach to counseling, and more importantly how would it deepen it?" If you have read any emergent stuff - say for example Stanley Grenz - you will be familiar with the philosophical foundations of this postmodern approach: Witgenstein and his linguistic construction of reality... the idea that absolute truth is unknowable to us and that we as humans can only operate from with our subjective blinders... systems therapy takes this and rather than being hamstrung by relativism into inaction, finds a way to gain deeper insights into the complexities of humans as social beings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, if we are unable after postmodernism to speak objectively of "what  is" outside of our own linguistic subjective perspective, what happens to causality? In a traditional model of therapy the therapist will diagnose what is wrong and prescribe a cure. The insight of systems therapy here is that while causal relationships are indispensable with &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;things &lt;/span&gt; - I flick the switch and expect the light to go on (and this includes all the complexities of a power grid across a city and a system of commerce that allows me to buy a new light bulb at a store) they are less helpful when applied to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;people &lt;/span&gt;because people are vastly more complex&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; We as people are not simply labels (criminal, schizophrenic, spouse, etc) in the way that a light bulb is just a light bulb. These labels describe a host of relational interactions. This is not to say that systems theory rejects cause and effect, but that it recognizes a web of complex cause and effect. Because of this it speaks instead of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;patterns &lt;/span&gt;of relationships and interactions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the main consequences here is that it avoids simplistic blame. In a linear causal model one looks for the single reason for a problem,  (Ex: The shooter went bizerk because of violent video games, so we need to ban them to make our world safe again). Causality effects both blame and power to change. If we know the cause, we know whose fault it is, who is responsible. Systems therapy rejects this linear causal model because it puts people into a roll of helpless victim. Say for example that you have a bad relationship with your mother who has always hurt you by her coldness. As long as the cause is described in that way, she has the control, and as long as she remains aloof can determine not only your relationship with her, but even how you feel about yourself. But if you can find a way to break out of that - say by forgiving her - then you gain creative possibilities to not only change yourself but to change the very dynamic of the relationship. Because relational problems do not have a singular but multiple causes, this not only means shared responsibility, but also that you are not trapped. You have power to change the interactions and dynamics of your relationships.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's more, because from this perspective it is not necessary for a therapist to determine and treat the "cause", you don't need to have some deep insight into what is going on so you can prescribe a solution. Instead, systems therapy gives relational systems (say a family)  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;creative nudges  &lt;/span&gt;that help  them to develop new patterns of interaction that  foster growth. This is the idea behind Derrida's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;deconstruction&lt;/span&gt;: It's not about tearing things down, but about breaking stagnant patterns of interaction by getting people to see things from another perspective, and thus bringing about the creative possibility for a shift in the power dynamic - empowering people towards creative possibility.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/03/systems-theory-2-causality.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-3737397700699696234</guid><pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-03-01T12:35:29.699-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>post-modernism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>systems theory</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Emergent</category><title>Relational Truth &amp; Systems Theory</title><description>Here's a thought that shook my world that is derived from systemic theory:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Old school philosophical, scientific, and religious inquiry seeks to find  objective truth by observing as a neutral party from the outside. Its goal is to discover an absolute truth. However science has been discovering that we cannot be neutral observers because our observation actually changes the results. This is all the more true in relationships: you cannot truly understand another unless you enter into their lives. It is not possible to truly &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;know &lt;/span&gt;another without &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;loving &lt;/span&gt;them. Truth then cannot be separated from love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beyond this, there is also a practical problem with the old school approach of seeking to find the objective impartial truth: in relationships this approach inevitably leads to conflict because it seeks to determine which party was more correct, and thus who “wins”. Theology that is focused on determining these kinds of absolute propositional truth claims (such as systematic theology) has  often fallen into this trap. Systemic theory instead seeks a relational understanding of truth. Instead of asking what the absolute right answer is, it seeks to understand how each person in a relationship&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt; perceives what is happening. Because its focus is on seeking to understand people &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;relationally &lt;/span&gt;rather than determining who is "right", it leads towards reconciliation and understanding instead of towards blame and conflict.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While this is an approach that is relational, it is not relativistic per se. That is, systemic theory does not claim that truth is relative, but simply that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;we are&lt;/span&gt;. We each perceive what we do, and if we care about others, if we care about relationship, we need to care about their perceptions and feelings - about them -more than we do about our being right. You might say its the difference between being right and being righteous. righteousness is not self-focused, but cares for the other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are relative because we are all inside of this world of ours, we are all connected to each other in relationship, for better or worse. We are all subjects of God's world. Reality is not subjective, we are. We perceive everything from our own perspective. God is the only one who is absolute and who can speak absolutely. All the rest of us are locked into our own relative perspectives, clouded by our own particular blinders. Yet even God, (who alone could have come making absolute truth claims), when he came among us in Christ did not seek to demonstrate that he was right, but instead focused on relating and reconciling us &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;even though we were all wrong&lt;/span&gt;. (and again our &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;wrongness &lt;/span&gt;biblically was fundamentally because we were estranged from relationship that was remedied through reconciliation). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;Without denying the reality of absolute truth, on a far deeper level we need to recognize that Truth is at its very core relational, and when the one who is Truth came among us it was in order to seek relationship. In other worlds, truth must be the servant of love. The goal of theology needs to be to foster loving relationships by seeking relational understanding rather than to make correct propositional statements. That does not mean we need to throw out all propositions, but that they are means towards love and relationship. Robert Webber in "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Younger-Evangelicals-Facing-Challenges-World/dp/0801091527/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1203265979&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Younger Evangelicals&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;" suggests that this relational understanding of truth is leading to a new approach to apologetics and evangelism: instead of using reason to present "evidence that demands a verdict," people are convinced of truth by seeing it &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;embodied and lived out&lt;/span&gt; leading to them encountering that truth relationally themselves. Thus &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;knowing &lt;/span&gt;truth takes on a biblical relational sense: knowing means loving.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To me, as someone who believes in absolute truth, this is profoundly challenging. It tells me that I need to care more about relating and understanding another than I do about what the "truth" is. That means that I need to re-think what &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;truth &lt;/span&gt;means. But the more I think about this the more I see how biblical it is. Truth is not an abstract fact, it is a living Someone. Jesus said "I am the Truth". That means Truth is alive and relational. Truth is loving and life-giving. Truth is transformative and reconciling. Truth is love, and what is unloving and life-sucking &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;simply is not truth&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/02/relational-truth-systems-theory.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-5461241390425979798</guid><pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-02-10T14:48:17.055-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Evangelicalism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Emergent</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>born again</category><title>Mysticism, Evangelism, and the Emergent Church</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.spurgeon.org/images/pyromaniac/TeamPyro/mc.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 300px;" src="http://www.spurgeon.org/images/pyromaniac/TeamPyro/mc.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;Mysticism is defined primarily as the experience of intimacy with God, and the life practices used to cultivate that relationship. Understood on these relational terms it is at the very heart of Christian faith and life. Mysticism in the form of the monastic tradition has always been the life blood, as well as a key renewal movement with Catholicism. Likewise, within Protestantism's major movements towards reform and vitality found in Pietism and revivalism have been strongly rooted in a mystical experiential connection with God. Indeed Evangelicalism's focus on the centrality of the new birth and the proclamation of the Gospel are at heart relational and mystical concerns. Liberal faith with its roots in Schleiermacher is at heart as well a faith rooted in mystical experience. Finally, Orthodoxy has always maintained that mysticism and theology must go hand in hand. In short, every major branch of Christianity – whether liberal or evangelical, from Catholic to Protestant to Orthodox – is deeply rooted in mystical relational experience of intimacy with God.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;The question is where does the emergent church stand in relation to this mystical relational faith? There has been some emphasis on "praying the hours" and other contemplative exercises, but at the same time as Scot McKnight has charged, there is a hostility towards evangelism (the sharing of relationship) and a re-definition of the Gospel in terms of "following Jesus" and his kingdom as a "way" rather than being in an intimate relationship with Christ effecting all of life. The later emphasis on the "kingdom now" at the expense of the eternal is something people like Andrew Jones have &lt;a href="http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2007/10/everything-must.html"&gt;criticized in the writings of Brian McClaren&lt;/a&gt;. So this is definitely a (critical) conversation that is taking place within the emergent ranks among those who love it rather than simply an outside critique. The meergent church deconstructing itself. That's a good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the questions that arise are these: Does the emergent church tend towards an understanding of mystical experience that is self-focused with its new found focus on mystic rituals? Does it have an understanding of the gospel as "kingdom way" that is ultimately impersonal and detached from a relational encounter with a transforming God? How can we care about social justice without falling into the trap of secularized liberal church? How can we develop a rich and compassionate understanding of evangelism without falling into the dogmatism of fundamentalism. I'm afraid much of the emergent movement tends towards completely jettisoning the idea of evangelism all together, and is thus in danger of becoming spiritually infertile? Coming from a Pentecostal background as I do, I like the idea evangelism being about a relational encounter with power rather than a rational proposition, and think we would so well to remember our roots in the Great Awakenings that focused on both personal and social transformation through the Spirit working in people's lives and world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Learning from our past, contextualizing here in our present post modern situation, and looking forwards towards an emerging future, what should be our approach towards mystical relational faith be, both personally and socially?&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/02/mysticism-evangelism-and-emergent.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-8341153257916285256</guid><pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-02-09T18:22:06.928-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Emergent</category><title>How Not to Speak of God - loving the ineffable</title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21VRT0H289L._PIsitb-dp-arrow,TopRight,21,-23_SH30_OU01_AA115_.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21VRT0H289L._PIsitb-dp-arrow,TopRight,21,-23_SH30_OU01_AA115_.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm reading through Peter Rollins "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Speak-Peter-Rollins/dp/1557255059"&gt;How Not to Speak of God&lt;/a&gt;". He begins the book by talking about how all of our reflections and thoughts about God in themselves can never really capture who God is, and that while we can acknowledge the reality of God, we need to recognize that we ourselves are limited. God is bigger and more profoundly real than any of our attempts to express or understand. In this, Rollins draws upon the teachings of mystics and their idea that union with the God is found in entering into a "cloud of unknowing," finding God in the dark.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What concerns me here is that in some mystical writings there is a sense of dread, distance, and emptiness that strikes me as abusive and life-sucking. So I am led to ask: how can we approach God in humility and need, not as ones who are devalued and torn down, but in the wide open way that children trust with helpless abandon? The idea of being born again that Jesus talks about in the Gospel of John conveyed this kind of childlike dependent stance. The term "born again" was not original to Jesus, but one common at the time. It meant one who was brand new at something, unexperienced. Church historian Homersham Cox in his "&lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=BmAAAAAAMAAJ&amp;amp;pg=PA274&amp;amp;lpg=PA274&amp;amp;dq=%22this+phrase+born+again+was+very+common+and+was+applied+in+a+variety+of+circumstances+to+persons+who+commenced+a+new+career+in+life%22&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;ots=W1rYFeLdiL&amp;amp;sig=dRpOHQVtt_zgRiQ-BRyU3fP3nwU"&gt;First Century of Christianity&lt;/a&gt;" writes,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;This phrase "born again" was very common, and was applied in a variety of circumstances to persons who commenced a new career in life. The bridegroom on his marriage, the chief of the academy on his promotion, the king on his enthronement were figuratively said to be newly born. Proselytes are constantly spoken of in the Talmud as new creatures. "If any one become a proselyte he is like a child new born." (p. 274)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;In essence, the term "born again" here that Jesus uses is a parallel idea to his teaching that one must "become as a little child" before they can enter into the Kingdom. This was such an affront to Nicodemus because it meant that he would, as an established Jewish leader, need to strip himself of all knowledge, authority, and right and become as one who knew nothing, becoming helpless - a needy dependent child.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;The thing that is liberating about this image of becoming a new born baby is that it implies along with dependency a beloved embrace of intimacy with God as Abba Father. It implies being able, in the foolishness of childhood to exclaim at the top of our lungs "I love you Daddy!" The picture the Gospels give us here is of children running to him, interrupting the important meeting of the grow-ups and jumping in his lap, and in that sloppy dirty embrace being welcomed and defended.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;Of course as adults this should not mean that we act irresponsibly. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;We don't need to underplay our ability to make God look good.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;We should act as intelligently as we are able, using all of our ability,  character, and resources. But in that we can find a way as adults to become like little children in how we love the ineffable God - in humility recognizing our limitations and need.  That's the paradoxical challenge of learning how to be "as a new born child" while still being a responsible moral adult.  How can we learn to speak with the bold trust of a child, while knowing that our feeble words an acts are always just that? Because ultimately it is not about us trying to express or capture truth, it is about loving and being loved by the one who is Truth. We know we cannot have a monopoly on truth, but through childlike loving dependency... maybe Truth can have a monopoly on us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rollins insists that transcendence is not a contradiction to immanence, and that in encountering God intimately we also encounter and are overcome by God's hugeness - like an overloaded circuit. I want to agree and underscore this point of his, and at the same time affirm that the converse is also true: not only can we in acknowledging God's transcendence still dare to speak in terms of intimacy with God, but in fact it is precisely in that place of helpless dependent intimacy that we encounter the transcendent God. Rollins is down on "fundamentalist certainty", which he understands as an idolatrous certainty in our own human formulations of who God is. I agree, but there is another kind of certainty:  relational certainty. This&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; is a certainty not based in ourselves, but in relationally being known by God. It says in devotion and trust "I know my redeemer lives".  Rollins again speaks of the contrast between the Greek concept of knowing facts vis a vis the Hebrew idea of knowing in a relational sense. This Hebrew knowing is one of trust, a "knowing" synonymous with being loved - "known in a biblical sense" if you will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/02/how-not-to-speak-of-god-loving.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-4870711073329298155</guid><pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:19:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-01-24T03:43:08.837-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Penal Substitution</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Wesley</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Evangelicalism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Pietism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>born again</category><title>penal substitution and being born again</title><description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14.15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;While Penal substitution has been the predominant theory of the atonement among Evangelicals such as my self, it in fact does not coincide with an Evangelical understanding of the new birth which has to do not only with &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;justification&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;a legal change in our relationship, but far more with &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;regeneration&lt;/span&gt;: the renewal of our very being - God's act of giving us new life, a new birth. John Wesley writes,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14.15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;“Justification implies only a relative, the new birth a real, change. God in justifying us does something &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;" lang="EN-US"&gt;for&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt; us; in begetting us again, he does the work &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;" lang="EN-US"&gt;in&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt; us. The former changes our outward relation to God, so that of enemies we become children; by the latter our inmost souls are changed, so that of sinners we become saints. The one restores us to the favor, the other to the image, of God.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14.15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;What Wesley here is addressing is the contrast between the doctrine of justification that had been developed under Lutheran orthodoxy post-Luther which focused on a mere legal change, justification understood as acquittal. In contrast, beginning with German Pietism, and then through both Methodist and Reform channels we have the flowering of Evangelicalism which returned the focus to the need to be born again leading to waves of revivals in the First and Second Great Awakening. Simply put, this idea of justification going together with regeneration was and is at the very core of Evangelical faith then and now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14.15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Luther himself underwrites this interpretation of the Gospel in his Preface to the Book of Romans. Luther decries an understanding of faith with &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“no betterment of life or works that follow it”&lt;/span&gt; as merely a detached theoretical human faith&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “that never reaches the depths of the heart” &lt;/span&gt;and contrasts this with genuine faith which he describes as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“a divine work of God in us”&lt;/span&gt; that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“changes us and makes us to be born anew of God (Jn 1:3)".&lt;/span&gt; This faith, Luther says, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“kills the old Adam and makes altogether different men of us in heart and spirit. Oh, it is a living, busy, active, mighty thing, this faith, and so it is impossible for it not to do good works incessantly.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14.15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Simply put: At the very heart of Evangelical faith is the idea of being born again. Regeneration &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt; justification together constitute a proper Evangelical understanding of salvation. Therefore an Evangelical understanding of the Atonement needs to address both the issue of justification and regeneration. Any theory that addresses only part, is an incomplete theory that does not present the full Gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14.15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Penal substitution on its own only addresses justification, but not regeneration. It speaks of what God does &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt; do to us (he does not punish), but it says nothing of what he does do &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;in us&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt; to make us a new creation. So even if we accept that one of the things that happened on the cross is that Christ took the penalty on our behalf, the atonement means much much more. Penal substitution on its own is at best a half-Gospel. Simply being aquitted is not enough if we are “dead in our sins” as Paul says. We need to be made alive, to be born again. So the question that remains unaddressed by penal substitution is: “how does God work that new life in us through the atonement?” At the very least one would need to combine penal substitution with other theories which can account for how regeneration is achieved in the atonement. Solely on its own penal substitution only explains what God does externally &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;for us&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt; in the cross, but not what he does &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;in us&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14.15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;So why is it that despite the clear teaching within Evangelicalism for the need to be born again, we have adopted an understanding of the Atonement that does not reflect this? It is interesting that Wesley while he re-thought what salvation was about, adding the idea of regeneration to justification did not do the same with the Atonement. Instead he simply adopted the traditional penal view of his church. Like Luther, he was a practiical theologian rather than a systematic one. As a result he did not follow things to their logical conclusions, but simply focused on his one core message. It is the task of those who follow to continue along that path, and to ask how the idea of substitution may be understood in terms of how the Christ-event makes it possible for us to be born again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/01/penal-substitution-and-being-born-again.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-292082831506977317</guid><pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-01-04T14:33:31.142-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>recapitulation</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Penal Substitution</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>ransom</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Christus Victor</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Satisfaction</category><title>Penal Substitution AND Christus Victor?</title><description>&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0.2in; text-align: justify;"&gt; Dave sent me an email with some challenging questions regarding my article “ Penal Substitution vs. Christus Victor” that I thought it might be interesting to answer in a blog. So here we go. I'll put Dave's questions in &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;bold&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0.2in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a name="lw_1199477045_0"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;b&gt;I read your article "Penal Substitution V Christus Victor" with interest. It is a very stimulating document. However -can I challenge you to engage more with what those advocating Penal Substitution are and are not arguing. There are a few things worth considering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First the literature around -worth considering the old classic The Cross of Christ -John Stott and of course more recently Sach Ovey and Jeffry, Pierced for our transgression. Also Tom Wright's support for Penal Subsitution.  Certainly the line would be not CV v PSA but rather PSA and CV togethr helping to give a full picture. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0.2in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  I have read Stott's book many times. It is certainly a classic as far as PS goes. I have also read “Pierced for Our Transgressions” and thought that was in contrast very poorly researched. I think they completely misrepresent for example the positions of people like Augustine and Athanasius. NT Wright has had some pretty negative things to say about this book. For what its worth, I have also spoken with NT Wright personally about PS, and he actually rejects it while embracing substitutionary atonement understood within the context of CV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0.2in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  Let me mention a few other books on the side of PS that I found quite good. “The Glory of Penal Substitution” has quite a few good papers in it worth reading. I particularly liked the one by Van Hoozer. Packer's article “The Logic of Penal Substitution” is brilliant (and available online). Leon Morris “Apostolic Preaching” has some phenomenal research in it. Then there are people like PT Forsyth and James Denney who have some great stuff too. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a name="lw_1199477045_1"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  One thing here that crystallizes with reading Forsyth, Denney, Van Hoozer, and Packer is that a great deal of the criticisms that are made of PS have also been made by people &lt;i&gt;advocating&lt;/i&gt; PS too. So it is possible to embrace PS and at the same time be critical of its more legalistic and “crude” expressions. The question then becomes: what would a sophisticated and grace centered version of PS look like as opposed to a legalistic one?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;This is perhaps best captured by Packer's now famous quote&lt;br /&gt;“…&lt;span lang="en-GB"&gt;Jesus Christ our Lord moved by a love that was determined to do everything necessary to save us, endured and exhausted the destructive divine judgement for which we were otherwise inescapably destined and so won us forgiveness adoption and glory.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  Great quote. Do you recall where Packer said this?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  It may surprise you to hear that, as it stands, I would agree with the above quote. I would want to refine and clarify a few points I am sure, but I will say that I do think that substitutionary atonement (which is a broader term than PS) is the linchpin of the entire atonement – the &lt;i&gt;means&lt;/i&gt; of our redemption. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  Where I would want to tweak the above statement is the phrase “&lt;span lang="en-GB"&gt;endured and exhausted the destructive divine judgement”. I do not think that the God needed to “get his anger out of his system” by punishing &lt;i&gt;someone, &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;even if that someone was himself&lt;/span&gt;. I would say instead that wrath is averted through our purification, or in technical terms that propitiation happens &lt;i&gt;through&lt;/i&gt; expiation. Remove the sin (expiation) and you remove the cause of judgement (propitiation). Expiation is the key concept here in the atonement – our transformation and purification through Christ's blood.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  So with that in mind can we say that Christ endured the judgement and death that humanity was due? Absolutely. The question is why? For what reason? That's where I think PS gets it wrong. The reason is expiation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Key things there&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1. Moved by a love... -this is language of love.  It is an uncharitable nonsense to suggest that "In &lt;i&gt;Satisfaction-Doctrine&lt;/i&gt; love is not central, but viewed with suspicion."  I appreciate my language is strong there -but we have got to be right when we talk about what people believe.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  Yes, love does need to be seen as the motivating factor. Some (for example Emil Brunner) have instead stressed that the need to fulfill the demands of justice or moral law was the key factor. I disagree, and so do people like Packer and Denney.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  I's say that most Evangelicals who embrace PS do so because they see the love and grace of God in that he would endure suffering out of love for us. This is something I certainly would embrace as well. The problem is that many other people hearing the stress on God demanding punishment have gotten the opposite impression which has lead them to a hurtful image of God that damages their trust and can keep them from grace. Beyond any theological issues, I think this is the key issue: how can we present the Gospel and atonement so that people hear the message of a loving and just God they can trust? At least on a popular level (and often on an academic level as well) this has been quite problematic with PS because people are often more concerned with defending doctrine than they are with communicating grace (and here I will resist naming names, but I can unfortunately think of quite a few). I do want to stress also that I do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; mean to imply that you are doing this at all. On the contrary, I greatly appreciated the generous and irenic tone in your post.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;If it is as Aulen would say about reconciliation between God and man -then it is our relationship to him.  Is sin simply the thing that oppresses us?  What about the sense in which we identify with those who killed Jesus -those who are hostile to God.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I think you may be misunderstanding Aulen here (which may be my fault). He would say that the cross is primarily about our redemption (deliverance) by God from the bondage of sin, death, and the devil not of reconciliation (forgivness) between God and humanity. In that context he speaks of a “doublesidedness” where we are at the same time the victim of sin – its captive – and are guilty and culpable because it is our sin that has led us into this bondage. So we have humans as being both victims &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; perpetrators, needing to be liberated/ransomed/redeemed &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; reconciled/forgiven.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Christus Victor in opposition to Penal Substitution places us in a difficult position because -we are the ones who should be defeated by his victory.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I agree and disagree here. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I disagree in that I'd say our “defeat” is a necessary part of the atonement in that our sin and we are &lt;i&gt;overcome&lt;/i&gt; and in that our identity is transformed from being a “son of perdition” to a son or daughter of God. Our enmity is defeated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I would agree that a full view would need to see the themes of substitution and ransom rather &lt;i&gt;together&lt;/i&gt; rather than as &lt;i&gt;opposed&lt;/i&gt;, but would say that because  PS and CV are  essentially incompatible  this merger, this would need to be in the form of CV together with an incarnational  understanding of substitutionary atonement. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;We need of course to bring other elements to bear -especially the idea of faith union. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;span lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Yes! I would argue here that the way to understand substitutionary atonement is not in terms of satisfaction of punishment or propitiation of wrath, but as &lt;i&gt;recapitulation – &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;God enters into our wretchedness, lostness, suffering, sickness, and sin and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;as us &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;representationally&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;overcomes death and hell in rising from the dead. In dying and rising &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;as us (representationally, incarnation ally) &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;Christ makes it possible for us to die and rise &lt;i&gt;in Christ&lt;/i&gt; as well so that we are made holy through our union with him, us in Christ and Christ in us transforming us through an indwelling personal relationship with God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-style: normal; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; font-style: normal; text-align: justify;" lang="en-GB"&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Thanks for the challenging questions, and I hope you find some edification here in my response as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2008/01/penal-substitution-and-christus-victor.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-6239070382968309641</guid><pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-12-20T15:07:17.144-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Augustine</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relationship with God</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Paul</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Pietism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Emergent</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>born again</category><title>All Theology is Mystical</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.monasterygreetings.com/productimages/item1913_mysticsupper_icon.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px;" src="http://www.monasterygreetings.com/productimages/item1913_mysticsupper_icon.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;Eastern Orthodox theologian Vladimir Lossky in his &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=dxqvWwPSCSwC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;sig=k-37bDoxKKwpfmM8fHfLVq-4ckc"&gt;The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church&lt;/a&gt; writes that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"The eastern tradition has never made a sharp distinction between mysticism and theology; between personal experience... and the dogma affirmed by the church... we must live the dogma expressing a revealed truth".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;This lived faith, he says, involves a &lt;i&gt;"profound change, an inner transformation of spirit, enabling us to experience it mystically."&lt;/i&gt; While there has traditionally been conflict between the theological side of the church and its mystical side, one seeking to preserve orthodoxy and the other focused on renewing a vital relationship with God leading to inner and outer transformation, Lossky insists that the two in fact are inseparable. Theology needs to be focused on fostering a transformed church, on leading us into relationship with God.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;Too often this has not been the focus of theology. Instead the focus has been on systematizing the mechanics of the universe, one deciphering out exact workings of the Trinity like a math problem, or precisely defining doctrinal statements that seem distant from life. Stanley Grenz criticizes just this tendency for theology to become focused on extracting propositional truth out of the narrative of Scripture and organizing it in systematic form like detached entries in a encyclopedia, because it becomes then removed from relationship. Reading through the history of theology one can get the impression that this has been the focus of theologians for centuries. Take for example Augustine. Augustine is credited with the doctrine of original sin and predestination, but taken out of his narrative context these can seem like detached and impersonal doctrines and one misses the vital relational faith that they spring from. Predestination becomes a question of determination, as if it were a kind of natural force rather than a relational concept of God's desire and intent to be in relationship with us, having purposed (pre-destined) us to be loved by him, chosing us the way a lover chooses their beloved. Original sin likewise is relationally motivated because it speaks of our deep need to be in relationship with God and how outside of that connection we cannot be our true selves. One gets this relational context reading Augustine directly because his writings ooze with the beautiful aching prose of the lover seeking God. Augustine's theology is written in the form of a prayer, a love letter to God.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;"You called, and shouted, and burst my deafness. You flashed, shined, and scattered my blindness. You breathed odors, and I drew in breath, and panted for You. I tasted, and I hunger and thirst for You. You touched me and I burned for your peace."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;In “Silent Fire,” Walter Capps and Wendy Wright describe Augustine as “the father of the mystical tradition” They illustrate that Augustine's understanding of salvation was deeply relational, rooted in his idea of &lt;i&gt;humilitas &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;which expressed the soul's deep need and yearning for God&lt;/span&gt;.  Humilitas is &lt;i&gt;“the disposition of the human heart, bestowed and formed by the divine presence. Through it the image of God is reconstituted, and the  presence of God is brought to interior consciousness.” &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal;"&gt;(p 17)&lt;/span&gt; This experience of a relationship with God indwelling and transforming us, Augustine says, must be “born within the soul” in the same way Christ was born in humility in the manger. In other words: &lt;i&gt;ye must be born again. &lt;/i&gt;We have here at the heart of Augustine's understanding of salvation, rooted in his own conversion experience, an expression of the new birth that could not be more clear – inner transformation by the indwelling Spirit experienced in a loving intimate relationship with God found in surrendering oneself to Christ as Lord and savior.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;Here we have in Augustine, the father of the mystical tradition (meaning an experienced relational born again faith), who is at the same time, the father of western orthodoxy. Yet reading many surveys of theology focusing on the later, you would never guess that Augustine (and so many others) have this intimate relational faith. Instead one is left with the impression that their faith was focused on cold doctrinal formulations. But to miss this intimate experiential focus is to miss the very heart of theology, sucking out its life. In reaction to this, many people see Paul as opposed to Jesus – Paul being the poster boy for cold doctrinal formulations, and Jesus being loving and relational. But to read Paul this way, as with Augustine, is to completely misunderstand him. Paul is the “father” of the churches in Corthinth, Ephasus, Galatia, and so on, precisely because of his focus on mystical faith, because he encountered them with a transforming relationship with God. With the “power of God” rather than with intellectual arguments or doctrine. All the doctrines that are derived from Paul spring from this relational, experiential, mystical root of a vital lived encounter with God in Christ transforming his life from the inside out. As with Augustine, Paul who writes the bulk of biblical doctrine is at the same time profoundly mystical. One could say the same of John whose Gospel is the most theological and the again most mystical. There is no conflict between theology and mysticism, between religion and spirituality, between experience and revelation, between Biblical and experiential faith.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;The root of this is not in experience but in God's self-disclosing personal revelation in Christ as witnessed in Scripture. We need theology to help us connect to that root. But the connection is one of experiencing that reality in our own lives, in entering into a relationship with God. Theology's job is in lead us to that loving transforming relationship. A history of theology that is not a history of vital relationship with God is a dead history that paints a false picture of the church. Theology is not primarily an academic intellectual exercise, but one that needs to be done on our knees.  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/12/all-theology-is-mystical.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-4578695008819401140</guid><pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-12-17T00:28:17.795-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>art</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>gospel</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Pietism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Emergent</category><title>The Bells, Smells, and Narrative of the Gospel</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n292/blog_files/Nativity/NativityScene.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px;" src="http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n292/blog_files/Nativity/NativityScene.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Many Emergents seem to be drawn to the "bells and smells" of traditional mainline churches. They have come to appreciate ritual and symbol. So they pray the Divine Hours, and go to Taize services. Coming from an Evangelical background of white washed walls and folding metal chairs they revel in the beauty of stained glass cathedrals and the echoing beauty of hymns like a Midwesterner raised on pork chops and mashed potatoes might eating their first &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Haute Cuisine&lt;/span&gt; meal in Paris.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My friend Suzanne once told me of how growing up in the Episcopal church she never really paid much attention to the service. Years later after having become a born again Christian, she had returned to an Episcopalian mass and suddenly the hymns were filled with meaning for her, and she could hardly believe that she had missed it all before. It had all just rolled off her back - stand up, sit down, sing a song, repeat some words - it had all just been a meaningless ritual to her. Pretty, but with no real connection to her life Monday through Saturday. Now she saw it exploding with meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's because art - all art - needs to be connected to a narrative in order to move, in order to be anything beyond aesthetics, beyond mere decoration. Suzanne connected to the bells and smells of the Episcopalian mass because she had a connection to the story that it pointed to - she had a first hand encounter with the living and risen Jesus and her story was now shaped by His story. The "art" in church was meaningful because of her narrative connection to it in the same way a certain song might capture all your feelings about something, or how a symbol like a Christmas tree might bring back all sorts of memories and feelings. In each case you are connecting that song and that symbol with your own narrative and therefore experiencing it as full of meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But here's the rub: many Emergents who connect the aesthetics of traditional services to their own narratives of a relationship with God also suffer from an "allergy to evangelism". They have had so many bad experiences with hit-and-run evangelism that they have simply jettisoned the entire idea of sharing the Gospel. Instead they focus on the kingdom of God - on being involved in social justice, caring for the poor, fighting slavery and poverty and AIDS. These are all certainly vital things that we need to care deeply about and be involved in, but they do not change the fact that people also need God personally, that they need to be loved and touched and transformed by Jesus. My concern is that Emergents who have "deconstructed" evangelism and jettisoned it will go to "smells and bells" mainline churches that do not ever preach that one can have a first-hand life transforming intimate relationship with God, and that the next generation will grow up in that vacuum like my friend Suzanne and like so many others like her have - people who do not have a narrative and personal connection to the symbols and aesthetics  and for whom it is therefore meaningless and empty rituals- mere Sunday decoration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what I am calling for with all the bells and smells surrounding you this Christmas, with all the symbols and songs,  is for us  Emergents to remember our narrative connection to the Gospel, to recall the story of our own encounter with Jesus, and to look for ways to invite others into that story, ways to encounter people with the living Jesus that are beautiful and creative and real. In short, the Emergent church needs to rediscover evangelism. Not an evangelism disconnected from the kingdom of God, but one that is about loving people and caring for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all &lt;/span&gt;of who they are, one that ties personal faith together with social action.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/12/bells-smells-and-narrative-of-gospel.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-4391257015965495467</guid><pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:19:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-11-18T02:01:58.580-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>holiness</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Wesley</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><title>Entire Sanctifcation</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.stpeterschurch.net/Portals/0/Stained-glass-StGabriel.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 250px;" src="http://www.stpeterschurch.net/Portals/0/Stained-glass-StGabriel.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Holiness was always a major concern of Wesley's. This did not just include typical piety like Bible study, church, and quiet time (that was an important part of it of course), but also caring for the poor, fighting slavery, and an attempt to root out all selfishness, resentment, pride, and hurtfulness from his thoughts and actions - loving the least, loving your enemies, and having the mind if Christ. Sign me up for that!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The way we get there, Wesley says, is by being in a personal relationship with Christ where his Spirit works in us to transform our hearts to see and love like Jesus, "transformed by the renewing of our minds" as Paul says. This relational process is known as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sanctification&lt;/span&gt;. The tricky part is figuring out what exactly is meant by &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;entire &lt;/span&gt;sanctification. Entire sanctification for Wesley does not simply means not sinning, since he expects that to be true for all Christians. (This is something that I think Wesley was profoundly wrong about, but let's leave that aside for the time being.) Entire sanctification for Wesley has to do with the removal of the carnal nature in us. By this he does not mean temptation (after all even Jesus was tempted) but a pull towards pride and self. For me this takes the form of getting focused on "what about me?" questions when I feel wronged, rather than thinking relationally about both of us. That's a self-focus, and I expereince God working in me,  convicting me,  guiding me into His way of responding differently. Following Christ's different way is of course is hard, because it goes against my grain, and this "grain" is what Wesley has in mind with entire sanctification: a new grain, a Christ-like grain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This idea of sanctification understood as a gradual process is something I think most people would give their "amen" to. I have also found that, having known God for a while now, I have gone through several "seasons" where God worked on different areas of my heart and life. The problems I had when I was 22 are not the same problems I have now. Not only because I am older, but because God has really healed me in those areas. For example I don't struggle now with self-esteem. I deeply know that God loves me, after he hammered that fact into my heart for years and years. Now I have other areas of my life that God is working on, for example my self-focus and self-defensive posture, (which is why non-violence has been such a major theme for me since I am not by nature meek or passive at all). So I know from experience that with God's help, we can expereince real healing in major areas that seemed to dominate our former horizons, that we will not always struggle with the same issues.  What I find hard to imagine is that there will come a time where ALL of these issues will be gone, and my &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;entire &lt;/span&gt;heart will be loving and unselfish. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't know anyone like that, nor have I heard of anyone like that, and from what I know of Wesley's life he was not like that (just ask his wife). He - just like me and probably you - had plenty of flaws that to his credit he made his life's work to address through Jesus. Wesley never claimed to have attained total sanctification, and I have to wonder if anyone does claim to have? The goal of  growing more like Jesus, of  being more loving,  is surely a good one, I'm just questioning whether it is a place we can ever say we have attained. It seems, on the contrary, that the "holier" I get the more I notice how much of my life is not like Jesus, his bright light deepening the contours of my own shadow.&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/11/entire-sanctifcation.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-2006373656053330777</guid><pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:59:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-10-31T23:23:28.823-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Wesley</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>social action</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Luther</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><title>Wesleyan Holiness</title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I've been reading though Wesley's sermons, trying to get an idea of his theology. If Luther's gift to us was the idea of justification by faith, then Wesley's gift was the idea of regeneration and the new birth. But Wesley puts a particular spin on being born again that is in many ways good, and in some ways bad. His focus is on holiness.  First of all I deeply appreciate this focus and think that we evangelicals desperately need to learn about social justice, compassion, and living in grace. We have in the past divorced our faith from social engagement and been advocates for the establishment and powers that be rather than the least. So Wesley's focus on personal and social holiness - a deep  vibrant personal faith coupled with compassion and care for  the needy and love for our enemies - so something we can learn a lot from.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I question is Wesley's focus on holiness rather than on relationship. I appreciate Wesley's drive to seek to be holy and loving, but I question his notion that this in fact the central aim of religion. I would say that the central aim is in fact relationship, and the holiness is subordinate to and the product of a relationship with God. It is crucial that a genuine relationship with God leads to us loving others as a fruit of the genuineness of our relationship. I am concerned however that by his putting the focus on works of holiness and thus in many ways having a focus on performance and law that Wesley is giving us an incorrect and unrealistic focus on holiness over relationship that reflects his own particular perfectionist personality (and that of his mother) rather than the thrust of the New Testament.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Said differently, it seems that Wesley was always driven towards works of holiness and that his relational encounter with God was focused on assurance and relationship with God through the indwelling of the Spirit, but that he was continually drawn to seek holiness. First in thinking that the new birth would result in his immediate and total sanctification and then after he discovered he was mistake, in his continual preaching and striving towards holiness. In the same way that Luther really only and always talks about faith and not works, Wesley only and always talks about holiness. As I've said, there are many good things about this seeking after holiness especially when it means seeking to love God and others, but it also strikes me as a weakness of Wesley's as well, a drive that can become a foil possibly leading to legalism and a lack of compassion for those who are fallen. Just as Luther's drive and constant need for justification lead him to great heights, so did Wesley's drive, but Luther's drive was also an occation for the devil to continually torment him. A thorn in his flesh that continually prodded him to be dependent on grace.  We might say that "genius has its origin in neurosis".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it is vital that we keep in mind that driving passion, both is good parts and its bad parts that lie behind the great theologians so that we can have a theology that takes into account their real human striving and struggles, rather that one that systematizes their thoughts into an abstract system of doctrine. I think this approach is very much in keeping with the raw passion of Luther and the experiential and practical faith of Wesley.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;    &lt;span style="color:#ff0000;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/10/wesleyan-holiness.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-7050844961080169221</guid><pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-10-19T09:23:19.967-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>law</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Wesley</category><title>Wesley and Moral Law</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://people.wcsu.edu/briggsj/images/john-wesley-1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 200px;" src="http://people.wcsu.edu/briggsj/images/john-wesley-1.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;Wesley speaks of a “moral law contained in the Ten Commandments and enforced by the prophets” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/25/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; Upon Our Lord's Sermon on the Mount, Sermon 25&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; , I.2) but differentiated this from both the ceremonial and Mosaic law. It would appear that Wesley's understanding of the moral law entails the eternal principles and will of God that lie at the heart of the Old Testament. But it is deeper than even this. Wesley says that the moral law precedes not only Moses or Enoch but creation itself, humanity itself, being first given to the angels and the expression of God's eternal pre-creation image and will.The moral law is for Wesley a reflection of God's eternal will and image found in Scripture and inscribed on every human heart. Wesley even goes so far as to take the Christological language of the New Testament and applies this directly to this moral law, calling it &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.29in; margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt; “&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;An incorruptible picture of the High and Holy One... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; the express image of His person.”(The Original, Nature, Property, and Use of the Law." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/34/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; (The Original, Nature, Property, and Use of the Law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;  II.3)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; This presents a challenge to a Protestant idea of the law because if the law is both eternal, preceding creation, and the perfect reflection of the will and image of God, one is led to ask as one commentator did “Is Christ the only-begotten of the Father?”[1] Victor Shepherd suggests a possible solution, arguing that for Wesley the Son is the substance of the law,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.32in; margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt; “&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="en-CA"&gt;Wesley says that the law is the face of God unveiled. Paul says Jesus Christ is this. For Wesley, Jesus Christ is plainly the substance of the law... the law isn't a message from God or truth of God but is rather God himself disclosing himself.”[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; However it would be a mistake to assume that for Wesley the law and Christ are simply synonymous, as it would to assume that Wesley means only the moral principles and will of God that can be found in the Old Testament. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; Identifying precisely what for Wesley the exact content of the moral law is can be difficult as our own Ken Collins points out, &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.3in; margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt; “&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;[Wesley] failed to indicate clearly the content of this moral law. Thus, in his sermon "Justification by Faith," for example, Wesley defined the moral law as the 'unchangeable law of love, the holy love of God and of our neighbor,' while elsewhere he described it in terms of the golden rule, the Sermon on the Mount, and the ten commandments”[3]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.01in;" align="justify"&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;Wesley outlines three principle uses of the moral law 1) to convince the world of sin, not only before salvation but after 2) to lead us to Christ, again not only initially but continually 3) to “keep us alive”. Wesley writes, &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.42in;" align="justify"&gt; “&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;I cannot spare the law one moment, no more than I can spare Christ... each is continually sending me to the other, -- the law to Christ, and Christ to the law... the height and depth of the law constrain me to fly to the love of God in Christ... the love of God in Christ endears the law to me 'above gold or precious stones;'” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/34/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; The Original, Nature, Property, and Use of the Law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; . IV.7). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.01in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; This seems to indicate that the law is not simply a principle we follow, but needs to be alive and active in us through the indwelling of the Spirit. Shepherd explains, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.42in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt; “&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="en-CA"&gt;Earlier Wesley had said that knowing the law of God doesn't suffice. It is evident now that what doesn't suffice is that love of Christ which is &lt;i&gt;pro nobis&lt;/i&gt; but not yet &lt;i&gt;in nobis&lt;/i&gt; in the absence of faith. As Jesus Christ is embraced in faith the love of Christ takes root in us; as this occurs the law of God comes to be written on the heart.”[4]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.01in; margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Wesley's understanding of the moral law seems to be intentionally opposed to that of Luther. Wesley directly attacks Luther's understanding of the law expressed in his “Commentary on Galatians” when he writes,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.4in;" align="justify"&gt; “&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;Who art thou then, O man, that "judgest the law, and speakest evil of the law?" -- that rankest it with sin, Satan, and death and sendest them all to hell together?... So thou hast set up thyself in the judgement-seat of Christ, and cast down the rule whereby he will judge the world!” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/34/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; The Original, Nature, Property, and Use of the Law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; . IV.8). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="justify"&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt;Luther's understanding of salvation which is rooted in the idea of finding grace is rooted in Paul's book of Romans and likewise Luther's negative understanding of the law is also Paulinian. Luther and Paul focus on the law as a good thing that - like us - can become fallen and need to be redeemed. In other words, they focus on the law seen from our human perspective and draw attention to the dangers of our misusing it to support self-righteousness and legalism. Scripture cautions against our human sinful misuse of the law. Jesus for example (following in the tradition of Isaiah) sharply criticized the contemporary understanding of the law, and was himself regarded as a blasphemous lawbreaker by the religious authorities of his day. Paul speaks of how the law which was “good and holy” in fact “became death” to him because of his own sinfulness (likely the sin of legalism, Paul being a zealous Pharisee before his conversion). Even with the perfect law before us, we see it “through a dark glass”. Our understanding of this law - like us - is created good, can become fallen, and needs to be redeemed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; Wesley's understanding of salvation went beyond Luther's focus on justification and added to it the idea of regeneration – being born again – and how the indwelling of the Spirit in our lives transforms us and gives a new identity. Wesley's understanding of salvation here is very much influenced by the Gospel of John and similarly his understanding of the moral law has a decidedly johannian flavor too. What is confusing here is Wesley's nomenclature since he refers to “the law” (paulinian language) while John uses the term “truth”. In John's Gospel for example Jesus says "I am the truth" (not "I know the truth" but "I &lt;i&gt;am &lt;/i&gt;the truth") so that truth is a Person. Along these same lines, Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as "the Spirit of &lt;i&gt;truth&lt;/i&gt;". This is a fascinating idea because then truth or law is not based on static principles but on is creative,&lt;br /&gt;active, transforming, and alive. Truth is a Person (“I am the truth” Jesus says). So in Welsey's view truth or law are and alive – God's living word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[1] John Deschner, Wesley's Christology (Dallas: Southern Methodist University Press, 1960), p 107 as quoted in Collins (see note 3 below)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[2] Victor Shepherd, “&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Wesley/new_page_1.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; The Epistle to the Romans As Wesley's Cure for Antinomian and Moralist Alike&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; ” delivered at the Romans Conference, University of Toronto, May 2002&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[3] Kenneth J. Collins, “&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyan_theology/theojrnl/21-25/21-07.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; John Wesley's Platonic Conception of the Moral Law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"&gt; ” in Wesleyan Theological Journal 21 Spr-Fall 1986, p 116-128&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[4] Shepherd, Op Sit. The terms “pro nobis” and “in nobis” are Latin and mean “for us” and “in us”. &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="justify"&gt;   &lt;/p&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/10/wesley-and-moral-law.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-8320333165188851808</guid><pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-09-02T19:43:17.125-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>social action</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>justice</category><title>Chicago Declaration</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/images/tt024-th.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 200px;" src="http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/images/tt024-th.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Here are some excerpts from the 1973 &lt;a href="http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$928"&gt;Chicago Declaration of Evangelical Social Concern&lt;/a&gt; which launched &lt;a href="http://www.esa-online.org/Display.asp?Page=About"&gt;Evangelicals for Social Action&lt;/a&gt;. Sojourners tells of how their vision was detailed in the 80's by the Moral Majority making Evangelicalism synonymous with right wing politics. So they got together again two decades later to issue &lt;a href="http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$928"&gt;Chicago Declaration II: A Call for  Evangelical Renewal&lt;/a&gt;. The following excerpts are from the 1973 declaration written in the form of a prayer of repentance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see so many ways that my own life simply mirrors the values of the culture around me, and long deeply to exhibit the counter-cultural radical grace of the Gospel in my life and community. It is easy to sit back and criticize the failures of the church from my high horse of trendy postmodernism, but it is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;my &lt;/span&gt;church, and so I want to do all I can to let the change begin with me. So I join them in their confession and commit my life to making changes to promote a total life of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;being &lt;/span&gt;the Gospel.  Come Lord Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;On Racism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We deplore the historic involvement of the church in America with racism and the conspicuous responsibility of the evangelical community for perpetuating the personal attitudes and institutional structures that have divided the body of Christ along color lines. Further, we have failed to condemn the exploitation of racism at home and abroad by our economic system."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;On Materialism and Poverty&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"As a nation we play a crucial role in the imbalance and injustice of international trade and development. Before God and a billion hungry neighbors, we must rethink our values regarding our present standard of living and promote a more just acquisition and distribution of the world's resources."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;On Nationalism and War&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We must challenge the misplaced trust of the nation in economic and military might - a proud trust that promotes a national pathology of war and violence which victimizes our neighbors at home and abroad. We must resist the temptation to make the nation and its institutions objects of near-religious loyalty."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;On Sexism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We acknowledge that we have encouraged men to prideful domination and women to irresponsible passivity. So we call both men and women to mutual submission and active discipleship."    &lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/09/chicago-declaration.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-54862367126496286</guid><pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-31T13:59:31.188-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>books</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>religion and science</category><title>nonreductive physicalism</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://sharktacos.com/God/uploaded_images/brainHalo-734555.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; height: 226px;" src="http://sharktacos.com/God/uploaded_images/brainHalo-734552.gif" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I've been reading Nancy Murphy's "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Liberalism-Fundamentalism-Postmodern-Theological/dp/1563381761/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1188585234&amp;sr=8-2"&gt;Beyond Liberalism and Fundamentalism&lt;/a&gt;" where she uses the philosophical idea of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonreductive_physicalism"&gt;nonreductive physicalism&lt;/a&gt; to argue for the possibility of miracles. She continues this exploration in "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Bodies-Spirited-Current-Issues-Theology/dp/0521676762/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;qid=1188587949&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Bodies and Souls or Spirited Bodies&lt;/a&gt;". So what the heck is "nonreductive physicalism", you might ask? As the name suggests, nonreductive physicalism is the opposite of reductionism which says that all our experience can be reduced down to the smallest parts. For example, if you listen to a Bach symphony and are moved to tears, reductionism would say that this is ultimately just a chemical reaction. The music sends sound waves which vibrate on your eardrums which send a signal to your brain which causes the ducts in your eyes to secrete a saline solution. Physicalism is synonymous with materialism or naturalism. Materialism is the methodological assumption of all natural sciences, and up until recently it was assumed that this materialism was reductive, that is, one could explain things like love or awe by breaking it down into the physical explanations - chemicals, brain signals, etc and thus "explain it away".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The typical choice then is between saying&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A) miracles don't happen because everything is physical&lt;br /&gt;B) God breaks the laws of nature&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both are modernist choices. Murphy proposes going &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;beyond &lt;/span&gt;this &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Liberal/Fundamentalist&lt;/span&gt; impasse via nonreductive physicalism which offers a third possibility. It agrees that everything that exists is made of matter and energy, but says that there are no practical, law-like relationships between levels of hierarchy. That is, there is no law you could discover that would translate statements like “Nancy is feeling awe” into a description of very specific brain states or molecular events as in the above reductive example of the person moved to tears by Bach. A state of awe of being moved by beauty is certainly caused by specific brain states and molecular transactions, but slightly different brain states and molecular transactions could instantiate awe or wonder or love in a different person, or in the same person at a later date. Really its kind of a no-brainer that the person is not crying because of chemicals, they are crying because it is beautiful and moving, and we need to have a way to make sense of those very real aspects of our human experience rather than "explaining them away" through the tunnel vision of reductive physicalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonreductive physicalism would agree with the physical description is accurate as far as it goes, but say that there is more that is going in than can be described in these reductive terms.  Rather than reducing everything to physics, it says we need to realize that we can also learn things about our world and who we are from the other disciplines. Biology can tell us stuff that physics alone cannot, which is why we have both, and psychology can give us yet another level of insight. At the same time the lower level disciplines can also help the hight level ones. For example we really understood what was happening with some sicknesses after they broke the human genome on a chemical level which explained what was observable on a higher biological level (genetic defects). So we no not reduce everything into physics (the old model) rather we have all the disciplines, including Murphy says ethics and theology, each contributing its own level of insights in a nonreductive way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what does all of this have to do with miracles? Well, you may have asked yourself when you prayed and someone got better if it was really God, or whether their healing could be explained naturally. What Murphy says is that it could very well be both. There are always physical causal properties to miracles, but this would not mean that God was not involved, just as there would be physical phenomena when you experienced love, but the chemical would not be ALL that was happening. The love is a real part and is not explained away by the physical factors involved. Both are real. So there is no need to put religion and science in separate realms that can never meet. Personally I find this line of thinking promising for a collaboration between science and faith, and a deepening of the insights of both into who we are and how we tick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/nonreductive-physicalism.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-1659192843619310977</guid><pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-25T14:04:36.989-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>social action</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Evangelicalism</category><title>Finney the Feminist</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://snyders.ws/alan/images/finney.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://snyders.ws/alan/images/finney.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Charles Finney, the wild eyed revivalist preacher pictured here who was at the forefront of the 2nd Great Awakening was the president of &lt;a href="http://www.oberlin.edu/"&gt;Oberlin college&lt;/a&gt;. Oberlin is now a progressive ivy league school. My sister who went to Oberlin tells a story of a girl student who Finney confronts on campus saying, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"repent child of the devil!" &lt;/span&gt;the girl unphased responds &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Good day to you too professor Finney". &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a cute anecdote, but one thing that you might miss is the fact that a woman is in college at all in the mid 1800's. In fact Finney's Oberlin became the first college in the world to admit women, and I might add blacks as well who were not segregated from the white students. That's in the 1850's people. Oberlin was also a part of the underground railroad housing and even liberating escaped slaves, and practicing civil disobedience in defiance of laws that required escaped slaves to be returned to their owners. Finney was outspoken in his public opposition to slavery. Finney lists a failure to confront social evil and advocate for humans rights as one of the reasons revival is hindered. Shockingly, these statements have been edited out of many Evangelical editions of Finney's work. For example V. Raymond Edmond in &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Finney-lives-revival-methods-message/dp/B0006ASQJ6/ref=sr_1_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1188074814&amp;sr=8-1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Finney lives on: The man, his Revival Methods, and His Message"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; lists only 22 of Finney's 24 reasons that revival is hindered, renumbering them so as to make it look like Finney made no connection between the personal and the social.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Finney was also controversial because he allowed women to speak publicly in his revival meetings. Oberlin allowed many women to have the education that would further the feminist movement (ie women's suffrage) including Lucy Stone who was famous for keeping her "maiden name" in marriage, and Betsey Cowles who went on to be president of the Second National Women's Rights Convention of 1851. If that is not enough, Finney's Oberlin were also mostly vegetarians, and into health food. At the time that meant they followed the health advice of Syvester Graham - the inventor of the Graham Cracker. This involved abstinence from alcohol, cafeene, tobacco, and other "stimulants". If you's like to read more of this, it is documented in detail in "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Discovering-Evangelical-Heritage-Donald-Dayton/dp/0943575060/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;qid=1188073830&amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Discovering an Evangelical Heritage&lt;/a&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All this draws our attention to the fact that the split between progressive social justice and Evangelical personal faith are a rather recent phenomenon that dates back to the rise of Fundamentalism in the 1930's. For centuries, for such major Evangelical figures of the American revivals and awakenings such as Finney and Wesley, social justice, caring for the poor, prisoners, and marginalized, opposing violations of human rights and social evil and other such "liberal" causes were considered to be an integral part of what &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;holiness &lt;/span&gt;meant in the life of a person who had been born again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/finney-feminist.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-1489458553337020022</guid><pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-25T13:59:32.414-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relationship with God</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>gospel</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relational theology</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Evangelicalism</category><title>The Two Christianities</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/03/Frankenstein.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 200px;" src="http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/03/Frankenstein.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Throughout Christian history there have been two definitions of what it means to be a true Christian. One representing the established institutional church focusing on holding onto tradition and orthodoxy, where ascribing to correct doctrine is the true test of whether one is a Christian; and the other representing renewal movements and a revitalization of personal faith, and seeing being born again and having a relationship with God as the heart of Christian faith. We can see both of these competing definitions within Evangelicalism. It is easy to think of certain groups that one could apply either focus to. For a while I thought that the "correct doctrine" was descriptive of how Calvinists understood faith, but I think that is incorrect. Even within Calvinism we find both - people focusing on correct doctrine like Charles Hodge, and others focused on a relationship with Jesus like Charles Spurgeon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More often than not one finds both of these diverging emphases internalized in a single individual, producing a sort of theological "multiple personality disorder". For example, an Evangelical may insist on the need to adhere to correct doctrines such as the infallibility of the Bible, and declare that anyone who denies these “fundamentals” cannot call themselves a "real Christian". However,  if one were to ask this same person whether the heart of Christianity is not in fact much more in knowing Jesus in a personal relationship, they would fall over backwards to agree with you. They may still insist that correct doctrine is vital, but not claim that salvation hinges on it. To those on the outside Evangelicalism seems to be focused on adherence to doctrine, to those on the inside it is focused on relationship. So why are we giving people this false impression of what the heart of faith is about?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Donald Dayton suggests that the problem is that the people who represent the public voice of Evangelicalism - those behind the microphones and writing books - are predominantly white intellectual men with a strong Calvinist background, whereas the opposite is true of Evangelicals "on the street". Historian Douglass Sweeny agrees,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“White men are in the minority, few evangelicals are intellectuals, and evangelical beliefs seldom conform to a standard Calvinistic worldview. In fact a simple head count of evangelicals, both here and around the world reveals that most of us hail from lower-class, “Pentecostal” religious traditions (a blanket term Dayton uses in opposition to “Presbyterian” and that refers broadly to Arminian, Wesleyan, Holiness, and/or Pentecostal Christians, people who rarely resonate with the words of Calvinist intellectuals).”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a result, Evangelicalism, being largely a folk movement rooted in personal faith which is continually reforming itself, has not for the most part produced theologians who can express the heart pulse of ordinary Evangelical faith, but instead have been much more influenced by the doctrinal battles that characterize the academic and political world - for example getting caught up in the Fundamentalist vs Modernism  controversy. In this vacuum, Evangelicals looking for a way to express their faith will simply “borrow” the doctrinal statements formulated by these non-representative voices, creating a theological “Frankenstein” by sewing a dogmatic head on to a relational body. Take a look at the doctrinal "statement of faith" posted on your church's website for instance, and notice that very little is said about a relationship with Jesus or living in grace, and instead it is filled with definitions (the Trinity, the infallibility of the Bible, etc.) that while correct formulations, seem detached from what a vital living relationship with God is about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My intention here is not to propose a relational faith that is divorced from biblical fidelity and orthodoxy, but rather to draw attention to the fact that the way we Evangelicals have learned to convey our faith theologically does not seem to capture the rich relational aspects that it is inwardly characterized by.  What is needed is to develop doctrine and theology that arise out of the reality of our relationship with God, and foster a community of people characterized by Christ-likeness and grace.  The choice then is not ultimately between doctrine and relationship, but to have right teaching that is rooted in and characterized by right relationship with God and others. In this, relationship - loving God and others - is primary. Right doctrine arises out of right relationship. Placing doctrine over relationship on the other hand leads to not presenting the heart of faith in a loving relationship with God to those outside of our faith, but instead showing them a religion characterized by self-righteousness, condemnation, legalism, and a heartless Pharisaical faith that is in opposition to biblical teaching. &lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/two-christianities.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-9162247139950553773</guid><pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-23T11:40:58.803-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>social action</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>justice</category><title>Evangelicals and Social Action</title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I've been doing a lot of thinking about why we Evangelicals are so behind on issues of social justice.  In "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/American-Evangelicalism-Embattled-Christian-Smith/dp/0226764192/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1187891849&amp;sr=8-1"&gt;American Evangelicalism: Embattled and Thriving&lt;/a&gt;"  sociologist Christian Smith conducted a nationwide survey and hundreds of detailed interviews with Evangelicals and found that the problem was not that we Evangelicals don't care about social justice or the poor - we overwhelmingly do. The problem had to do with how we view social change from within the lens of personal conversion.  Over and over Smith found Evangelicals expressing the idea that real change needed to come "from the inside out", meaning that rather than reforming things on an institutional level, we believe that change should happen one person at a time, and as that person - say the CEO of a company, or a politician - has Christ in their life that this will lead them to acts of voluntary benevolence. This is not only a popular opinion, it has been expressed by many prominent thinkers and theologians with Evangelicalism for decades.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One contemporary example of this is Greg Boyd in his recent  &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Christian-Nation-Political-Destroying/dp/0310267315/ref=sr_1_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;qid=1187892445&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;"Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power is Destroying the Church&lt;/a&gt;", Boyd  takes on the current marriage between Evangelicalism and Conservative power-politics arguing that because all politics operate through the principle of coercion and control, they are opposed to the kingdom of God which operates individually “from the inside out”. Boyd advocates using “power under” to serve and support rather than “power over” to  force and dominate without achieving any inner reform. There is much to admire in Boyd's stand - his advocacy of social welfare and care for the needy, his compassionate stance to those others judge, his rejection of violence, his critique of Conservative power politics co-opting the Gospel -  but in the end what is lacking in Boyd's perspective is a guiding ethic that would offer a kingdom of God prescription for structural and institutional change that goes beyond mere individual transformation leading to voluntary benevolence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is absent from the Evangelical imagination, both in its leaders and laity, is any concept of a social or political ethic to guide these converted politicians, public officials, or CEO's in their work towards addressing the structures and systems that perpetuate societal injustice and suffering. Because Evangelicals view sin in the terms of individual failings, they are largely unaware of the systemic and institutional  aspects of the social world. For example, a person caught in a cycle of poverty will not be able to escape it simply because they have been born again. Their conversion may effect them inwardly and personally, which can have a profound impact on the debilitating effects of poverty to a person's self-worth, which can lead to a host of self-destructive behaviours. However as important as these personal factors are, they do not change the external social structures that keep a person trapped in poverty. Similarly, if a CEO of a company is converted, this may lead to them refraining from dishonest or unethical business practices, but it will not effect the larger competitive world in which their business operates. So if that economy operates - as ours has in the past -  on slave and child labor, an individual business owner who abstains from these practices is placed in a significant economic disadvantage in that market unless those social evils are addressed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Disposable-People-Slavery-Global-Economy/dp/0520243846/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1187892495&amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Disposable People: New Slavery in the Globaal Economy&lt;/a&gt;" Kevin Bales says that in fact child and slave labor is a part of today's global economy, and asks what we can do about it. The solution as you might have guessed needs to involve both us personally, as well as address the issue on a structural level. These slave companies in developing countries operate outside the bounds of law, and are not afraid to use ruthless violence to protect their profits. Companies who do business with them - say retail chains in the US like Nike or The Gap - opperating on the logic of economic profit say that they need to buy the cheapest product to stay completive. So they turn a blind eye to where the product came from, as long as the price is right. But public pressure can make a difference. When the public became aware that major retailers like Nike and The Gap were using slave labor in sweatshops, these companies were forced to change their practices because of consumer pressure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One example Bales  gives is &lt;a href="http://www.rugmark.org/home.php"&gt;Rugmark&lt;/a&gt;. If you own an oriental rug, there is a good chance it was made with child slave labor.  Rugmark works with retailers to guarantee that rugs are made without slave or child labor. In order to get a "rugmark" label, the retailers had to agree to not use slave labor, and strict independent monitoring is set up by Rugmark to ensure compliance. Additionally, the retailers agreed to give 1% of the profit towards development projects. With that money, Rugmark set up schools for the children who were either former slaves or vulnerable to slavery. This way rather than simply shifting the slave market to another product, they worked to change the societal conditions that make children potential victims in the first place. Major retailers in the USA and Europe signed on, including Otto Versand Group, the largest mail order retailer in the world. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a complex issue that involves both our personal involvement and addressing the social structures that perpetuate the problem. That's the reality of evil in our world, and we as Evangelicals need to learn to think about applying the Gospel to the problem of evil on that kind of large scale as well. We need to move beyond a message that only addresses people as isolated individuals and think through what it would mean for Jesus to be Lord in all of life. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/evangelicals-and-social-action.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-1245121944033294054</guid><pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-21T22:38:32.484-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>news</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>restorative justice</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>justice</category><title>Problems with the Penal System</title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:BP1RFXoN8K7cSM:http://www.selfknowledge.org/resources/PrisonSutras.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:BP1RFXoN8K7cSM:http://www.selfknowledge.org/resources/PrisonSutras.gif" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I'm becoming increasingly aware of how ill equipped our criminal justice system is to deal with many of the problems in our world.  One poignant example is the mentally ill. In the 1980's the mental health institutions that had housed people with severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia were shut down, and these people were left to fend for themselves. Large numbers of them now make up the homeless. Because prison is the "institution that can't say no" many of these people end up in jail. Not for commiting crimes, but for basically acting crazy. If you have not seen it yet, there is an excellent &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/view/"&gt;Frontline&lt;/a&gt; documentary detailing this that you can watch online.  They tell the story for example of a man with paranoid schizophrenia who goes into a 7/11 and is arrested for "disturbing the peace", being paranoid he freaks out when the police come and resists arrest. In jail he is uncooperative and "acts up" so in the jail system he is punished by being put in solitary confinement. This of course makes his condition worsen. This escalates until eventually he is is transfered into a maximum security prison all for an original petty crime. Not only is the prison system that is focused on punishing people the wrong place for someone with a mental illness, it is also completely unfair to the people who work there who are not trained to deal with such cases. Imagine how you would feel if someone hurled their own feces at you in a psychotic fit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been reading about other examples of the inadequacy of our penal system as well in "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Not-Sale-Return-Global-Trade/dp/0061206717/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1187758595&amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Not for Sale&lt;/a&gt;". For example, girls who are kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery are often arrested for solicitation instead of being treated as victims of abuse and rape. Likewise, runaways are commonly put into juvenile detention. Because of this setup when a child sexual slavery ring was discovered, the abused and abducted girls were going to be put into detention cells. Luckily several members of a local church volunteered their homes for the girls to stay in.  With this same kind of thinking, people who were trafficked as  slaves into the USA are deported, often right back into the hands of those who sold them. The problem is not with the individual people in the criminal justice system. The problem is systemic: the way the institution is set up, it treats these victims as if they were criminals, and does not look for the signs of human trafficking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The good news is that many people are working to change the system, to offer shelter, mental health services, safe houses, re-integration, rehabilitation programs, vocational training, restorative justice, drug rehab... as well as working for reform in our legal system, training of police to notice signs of modern slavery, and so on. In short, our penal system focused on punishment is slowly moving towards real justice that makes things right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Part of that does need to involve laws and penalties that will protect children from these predators. Once you start opening your eyes to the hurt in our world, you also find that we humans are capable of profound evil. I don't want to minimize that. But Jesus died for sinners like that, and prayed for those who had just whipped and beaten him bloody and nailed him to a cross &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"forgive them Father, they know not what they do". &lt;/span&gt;Those words become all the more shocking when we really confront the profound evil in our world. We want to hurt back those who hurt others. As a father, I know I do. A parental rage boils within me when I hear such horrific stories of what people do to children.  Jesus seems to have had similar feelings. Yet as Paul says in Romans, that part of us the seeks to accuse the evil in others comes back to accuse us as well. We have all been hurt, and we all have hurt others, sometimes profoundly. We need a way to deal with the brokenness and evil  in our world and in ourselves that works towards restoration of the broken, including protecting the vulnerable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/problems-with-penal-system.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-8598685394517811278</guid><pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-21T14:30:57.206-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>service</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relationship with God</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>justice</category><title>Calling Pt 2</title><description>I'm reading through &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Not-Sale-Return-Global-Trade/dp/0061206717/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9043192-9526551?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1187731451&amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Not For Sale&lt;/a&gt; by David Batstone. Here's a quote on calling that stood out to me:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"How do you find your vocation? You locate where your passion meets the needs of the world. The first part of that equation is to engage yourself in those activities that you feel you are put on this earth to do. The second part of that equation is to carry out those activities so as the benefit others.  The world is filled with unhappy people who are doing work that they do not care about, all for the sake of making more money or because they are trying to fulfill someone else's dreams."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm still chewing on that.</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/calling-pt-2.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-3777426708782997977</guid><pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-20T17:18:44.579-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>art</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>news</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>books</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Emergent</category><title>Blogging thru Wikiklesia</title><description>The &lt;a href="http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/07/wikiklesia-voices-of-virtual-world.html"&gt;Wikiklesia book&lt;/a&gt; seems to be off to a good start. It's gotten some rave reviews like this one from Kevin Kelly, the co-founder of &lt;a href="http://www.wired.com/"&gt;Wired Magazine&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;"The hive-mind of Christianity speaks! It brings news of the future. Uttered like a prayer retrieved from the year 2030, spoken in a new tongue, a new form. Listen!"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;For those of you who would like to get a sample taste of the stuff in the book to whet your appetite, Paul Walker  at &lt;a href="http://outofthecocoon.squarespace.com/"&gt;Out of the Cocoon&lt;/a&gt; is blogging through every chapter of the book, including the one by yours truly on &lt;a href="http://outofthecocoon.squarespace.com/main/2007/8/19/wikiklesia-7-theology-as-art.html"&gt;Theology As Art&lt;/a&gt;.  So go check it out, and then buy the  book. It's for a great cause since all the proceeds go to supporting the &lt;a href="http://www.notforsalecampaign.org/"&gt;Not for Sale&lt;/a&gt; campaign  to  end modern slavery in our world. It's available now as a download (PDF) and as audio from &lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/1038570"&gt;Lulu&lt;/a&gt;, and within the next few weeks will also be available there in paperback. Here's a list of all the books author's with links to their sites:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;a href="http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/"&gt;Andrew Jones&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.opensourcetheology.net/"&gt;Andrew Perriman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kinnon.tv/"&gt;Bill Kinnon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobhyatt.typepad.com/"&gt;Bob Hyatt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://futuristguy.inknoise.com/randomocities"&gt;Brad Sargent&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.subversiveinfluence.com/wordpress/"&gt;Brother Maynard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://randombloggings.wordpress.com/"&gt;Calvin Park&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/profiles/view/id/8396"&gt;Cynthia La Grou&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://thedigitalsanctuary.textdriven.com/"&gt;Cynthia Ware&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://nakedpastor.com/"&gt;David Hayward&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sharktacos.com/God/"&gt;Derek Flood&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.goodmanson.com/"&gt;Drew Goodmanson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://edbrenegar.typepad.com/"&gt;Ed Brenegar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://religionmeetsnewmedia.blogspot.com/"&gt;Heidi Campbell&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.socialredemption.net/"&gt;Jo Guldi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.mychurch.org/"&gt;Joe Suh&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.microclesia.com/"&gt;John La Grou&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.verumserum.com/"&gt;John Sexton&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.punkmonksf.com/"&gt;Br. Karekin Yarian, BSG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://opensourceresearch.blogspot.com/"&gt;Katharine Moody&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://kester.typepad.com/signs"&gt;Kester Brewin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nextreformation.com/"&gt;Len Hjalmarson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.missiongathering.com/os_story.php"&gt;Matt Reece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://lissack.com/"&gt;Michael Lissack&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zoecarnate.com/"&gt;Mike Morrell&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://homepage.mac.com/screenmeister/"&gt;Mike Riddell&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://the-abbey.wikidot.com/"&gt;Peggy Brown&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.millenniummatrix.com/"&gt;Rex Miller&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blindbeggar.org/"&gt;Rick Meigs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.jesuscreed.org/"&gt;Scot McKnight&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.conversatio.net/"&gt;Scott Andreas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.collidemagazine.com/"&gt;Scott McClellan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.verumserum.com/"&gt;Scott Ragan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.greenflame.org/"&gt;Stephen Garner&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.faithmaps.org/"&gt;Stephen Shields&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.warehouseministries.com/"&gt;Steve Scott&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kingdomjournalism.com/"&gt;Steve Knight&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.anabaptistnetwork.com/node/91"&gt;Stuart Murray Williams&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.futurechurch.net/"&gt;Thomas Hohstadt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://wildgrace7.blogspot.com/"&gt;Wild Grace&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/blogging-thru-wikiklesia.html</link><author>Sharktacos</author></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32298156.post-6470784520711917958</guid><pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-08-19T14:55:31.770-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>relationship with God</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>news</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>compassion</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>justice</category><title>Calling</title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In studying the Atonement I've had to dig down deep into our own human brokenness, why we are hurt and hurt each other so much, what separates of from God and life. As I have done this I have encountered story after story like the one of &lt;a href="http://sharktacos.com/God/2007/08/kelsey-shelton-briggs-story.html"&gt;Kelsey &lt;/a&gt; in my last blog entry, and I have found myself drawn towards the huge problem of evil and suffer